Comments on: Who values the PMP? http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/ Helping new and aspiring project managers reach their career goals! Wed, 23 May 2012 19:32:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Robert Higgins http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/#comment-24684 Robert Higgins Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:24:00 +0000 http://pmstudent.com/?p=1505#comment-24684 PMI is an organization of people. People created the PMBoK. Usually, your posts are very insightful, but this post is slightly confusing. For example you refer to the “PMBOK” as a person. “PMBOK and others will asert they represent the core essence of project management processes.” Glen we can all agree that to produce High Quality successful Projects we need competent people. We can also agree that the masses require a starting point to convey or converse about project management. While unethical people may lie about their requirements, to “Ethically” hold a PMP is an achievement beyond simply passing a multiple choice test. http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/ I would like to re-quote you Glen B. Alleman “You may be stretching a bit. For the current PMP application: each project requires a contact for verification. The 4,500 hours ARE documented and are verified. The education hours must be documented for selected (only) providers. While not a PMP, I manage PMP’s. The concepts established in the PMP are used daily in our practice. Being a hiring manager it is highly unlikely the HR folks specified the PMP. Rather the hiring manager woudl like to have some way of screening applicants, beyonnd the resume. The PMP is may be an entry level credential. In the same way a BA/BS degree is for engineers. But it is a necessary starting point.” I strongly feel that you should engage the PMI community and start to work on the difficult process of creating a Certified Board to evaluate the competency of “Senior Project Managers”. PMI is an organization of people. People created the PMBoK. Usually, your posts are very insightful, but this post is slightly confusing. For example you refer to the “PMBOK” as a person. “PMBOK and others will asert they represent the core essence of project management processes.” Glen we can all agree that to produce High Quality successful Projects we need competent people. We can also agree that the masses require a starting point to convey or converse about project management. While unethical people may lie about their requirements, to “Ethically” hold a PMP is an achievement beyond simply passing a multiple choice test.

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I would like to re-quote you Glen B. Alleman
“You may be stretching a bit. For the current PMP application:
each project requires a contact for verification. The 4,500 hours ARE documented and are verified.
The education hours must be documented for selected (only) providers.
While not a PMP, I manage PMP’s. The concepts established in the PMP are used daily in our practice. Being a hiring manager it is highly unlikely the HR folks specified the PMP. Rather the hiring manager woudl like to have some way of screening applicants, beyonnd the resume.
The PMP is may be an entry level credential. In the same way a BA/BS degree is for engineers. But it is a necessary starting point.”

I strongly feel that you should engage the PMI community and start to work on the difficult process of creating a Certified Board to evaluate the competency of “Senior Project Managers”.

]]> By: Robert Higgins http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/#comment-15443 Robert Higgins Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:24:56 +0000 http://pmstudent.com/?p=1505#comment-15443 PMI is an organization of people. People created the PMBoK. Usually, your posts are very insightful, but this post is slightly confusing. For example you refer to the “PMBOK” as a person. “PMBOK and others will asert they represent the core essence of project management processes.” Glen we can all agree that to produce High Quality successful Projects we need competent people. We can also agree that the masses require a starting point to convey or converse about project management. While unethical people may lie about their requirements, to “Ethically” hold a PMP is an achievement beyond simply passing a multiple choice test. http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/ I would like to re-quote you Glen B. Alleman “You may be stretching a bit. For the current PMP application: each project requires a contact for verification. The 4,500 hours ARE documented and are verified. The education hours must be documented for selected (only) providers. While not a PMP, I manage PMP’s. The concepts established in the PMP are used daily in our practice. Being a hiring manager it is highly unlikely the HR folks specified the PMP. Rather the hiring manager woudl like to have some way of screening applicants, beyonnd the resume. The PMP is may be an entry level credential. In the same way a BA/BS degree is for engineers. But it is a necessary starting point.” I strongly feel that you should engage the PMI community and start to work on the difficult process of creating a Certified Board to evaluate the competency of “Senior Project Managers”. PMI is an organization of people. People created the PMBoK. Usually, your posts are very insightful, but this post is slightly confusing. For example you refer to the “PMBOK” as a person. “PMBOK and others will asert they represent the core essence of project management processes.” Glen we can all agree that to produce High Quality successful Projects we need competent people. We can also agree that the masses require a starting point to convey or converse about project management. While unethical people may lie about their requirements, to “Ethically” hold a PMP is an achievement beyond simply passing a multiple choice test.

http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/
I would like to re-quote you Glen B. Alleman
“You may be stretching a bit. For the current PMP application:
each project requires a contact for verification. The 4,500 hours ARE documented and are verified.
The education hours must be documented for selected (only) providers.
While not a PMP, I manage PMP’s. The concepts established in the PMP are used daily in our practice. Being a hiring manager it is highly unlikely the HR folks specified the PMP. Rather the hiring manager woudl like to have some way of screening applicants, beyonnd the resume.
The PMP is may be an entry level credential. In the same way a BA/BS degree is for engineers. But it is a necessary starting point.”

I strongly feel that you should engage the PMI community and start to work on the difficult process of creating a Certified Board to evaluate the competency of “Senior Project Managers”.

]]> By: Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/#comment-5313 Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:40:01 +0000 http://pmstudent.com/?p=1505#comment-5313 Hi All, Not too get too far afield from the thread topic, but Bill raised a point that we debate from time to time, and always seem to generate lively discourse. I just received the latest copy of the PMBOK Guide, 4th Edition and looking at the top of page 4, I see that what PMI advocates is still "generally recognized good practices" used on "most projects most of the time". Now, I can fully understand and appreciate why this is done, but if we want to raise the professional image of what we do, is "good practices" sufficient? Given the recent stories about Chesley Sullenberger, the pilot who crash landed the US Airway's flight into the Hudson, got me to thinking about what it takes to be a true professional in one's field. So cmparing the new PMBOK to commercial aircraft piloting (or to medicine), would you accept merely "good" practices from your? Or cardiologist? Why can't we or why shouldn't we be demanding BEST practices? Dwell on that, colleagues, as you study your "professional ethics" in preparation for your PMP Exams..... BR, Dr. PDG, Jakarta Hi All,
Not too get too far afield from the thread topic, but Bill raised a point that we debate from time to time, and always seem to generate lively discourse.

I just received the latest copy of the PMBOK Guide, 4th Edition and looking at the top of page 4, I see that what PMI advocates is still “generally recognized good practices” used on “most projects most of the time”.

Now, I can fully understand and appreciate why this is done, but if we want to raise the professional image of what we do, is “good practices” sufficient?

Given the recent stories about Chesley Sullenberger, the pilot who crash landed the US Airway’s flight into the Hudson, got me to thinking about what it takes to be a true professional in one’s field.

So cmparing the new PMBOK to commercial aircraft piloting (or to medicine), would you accept merely “good” practices from your? Or cardiologist? Why can’t we or why shouldn’t we be demanding BEST practices?

Dwell on that, colleagues, as you study your “professional ethics” in preparation for your PMP Exams…..

BR,
Dr. PDG, Jakarta

]]> By: Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/#comment-24683 Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:40:00 +0000 http://pmstudent.com/?p=1505#comment-24683 Hi All, Not too get too far afield from the thread topic, but Bill raised a point that we debate from time to time, and always seem to generate lively discourse. I just received the latest copy of the PMBOK Guide, 4th Edition and looking at the top of page 4, I see that what PMI advocates is still "generally recognized good practices" used on "most projects most of the time". Now, I can fully understand and appreciate why this is done, but if we want to raise the professional image of what we do, is "good practices" sufficient? Given the recent stories about Chesley Sullenberger, the pilot who crash landed the US Airway's flight into the Hudson, got me to thinking about what it takes to be a true professional in one's field. So cmparing the new PMBOK to commercial aircraft piloting (or to medicine), would you accept merely "good" practices from your? Or cardiologist? Why can't we or why shouldn't we be demanding BEST practices? Dwell on that, colleagues, as you study your "professional ethics" in preparation for your PMP Exams..... BR, Dr. PDG, Jakarta Hi All,
Not too get too far afield from the thread topic, but Bill raised a point that we debate from time to time, and always seem to generate lively discourse.

I just received the latest copy of the PMBOK Guide, 4th Edition and looking at the top of page 4, I see that what PMI advocates is still “generally recognized good practices” used on “most projects most of the time”.

Now, I can fully understand and appreciate why this is done, but if we want to raise the professional image of what we do, is “good practices” sufficient?

Given the recent stories about Chesley Sullenberger, the pilot who crash landed the US Airway’s flight into the Hudson, got me to thinking about what it takes to be a true professional in one’s field.

So cmparing the new PMBOK to commercial aircraft piloting (or to medicine), would you accept merely “good” practices from your? Or cardiologist? Why can’t we or why shouldn’t we be demanding BEST practices?

Dwell on that, colleagues, as you study your “professional ethics” in preparation for your PMP Exams…..

BR,
Dr. PDG, Jakarta

]]> By: Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/#comment-5306 Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:15:32 +0000 http://pmstudent.com/?p=1505#comment-5306 Hi Glenn, After about 15 years with PMI (I was a founder of 3 chapters (Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore)and held the post of "Regional Director of Advocacy" for Region 10 for 2-3 years) and PMP (#740), I had it with them, left the organization and dropped my PMP. As a life-long project manager, the organization no longer reflects my beliefs or values as a senior practitioner and educator. PMI does NOT want active leadership, unless they toe the PMI line. The last thing they want are "advocates", speaking out for a specific region or group of "member/owners". Like you, I too am a member of INCOSE, but I think the future of project management lies with Systems Dynamics www.systemdynamics.org. BTW- In re: Nam. Class of "68 - "69. I was with the 20th Engineer Brigade, assigned to the 52nd Signal Bn. constructing communications sites throughout the Mekong Delta. (Vihn Long, Can Tho Sadec, Soc Trang) I get back to Vietnam about once or twice a year. Usually Saigon (HCM) or Hanoi. BR, Dr. PDG Hi Glenn,
After about 15 years with PMI (I was a founder of 3 chapters (Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore)and held the post of “Regional Director of Advocacy” for Region 10 for 2-3 years) and PMP (#740), I had it with them, left the organization and dropped my PMP. As a life-long project manager, the organization no longer reflects my beliefs or values as a senior practitioner and educator.

PMI does NOT want active leadership, unless they toe the PMI line. The last thing they want are “advocates”, speaking out for a specific region or group of “member/owners”.

Like you, I too am a member of INCOSE, but I think the future of project management lies with Systems Dynamics http://www.systemdynamics.org.

BTW- In re: Nam. Class of “68 – “69. I was with the 20th Engineer Brigade, assigned to the 52nd Signal Bn. constructing communications sites throughout the Mekong Delta. (Vihn Long, Can Tho Sadec, Soc Trang) I get back to Vietnam about once or twice a year. Usually Saigon (HCM) or Hanoi.

BR,
Dr. PDG

]]> By: Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo http://pmstudent.com/who-values-the-pmp/#comment-24682 Dr. Paul D. Giammalvo Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:15:00 +0000 http://pmstudent.com/?p=1505#comment-24682 Hi Glenn, After about 15 years with PMI (I was a founder of 3 chapters (Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore)and held the post of "Regional Director of Advocacy" for Region 10 for 2-3 years) and PMP (#740), I had it with them, left the organization and dropped my PMP. As a life-long project manager, the organization no longer reflects my beliefs or values as a senior practitioner and educator. PMI does NOT want active leadership, unless they toe the PMI line. The last thing they want are "advocates", speaking out for a specific region or group of "member/owners". Like you, I too am a member of INCOSE, but I think the future of project management lies with Systems Dynamics www.systemdynamics.org. BTW- In re: Nam. Class of "68 - "69. I was with the 20th Engineer Brigade, assigned to the 52nd Signal Bn. constructing communications sites throughout the Mekong Delta. (Vihn Long, Can Tho Sadec, Soc Trang) I get back to Vietnam about once or twice a year. Usually Saigon (HCM) or Hanoi. BR, Dr. PDG Hi Glenn,
After about 15 years with PMI (I was a founder of 3 chapters (Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore)and held the post of “Regional Director of Advocacy” for Region 10 for 2-3 years) and PMP (#740), I had it with them, left the organization and dropped my PMP. As a life-long project manager, the organization no longer reflects my beliefs or values as a senior practitioner and educator.

PMI does NOT want active leadership, unless they toe the PMI line. The last thing they want are “advocates”, speaking out for a specific region or group of “member/owners”.

Like you, I too am a member of INCOSE, but I think the future of project management lies with Systems Dynamics http://www.systemdynamics.org.

BTW- In re: Nam. Class of “68 – “69. I was with the 20th Engineer Brigade, assigned to the 52nd Signal Bn. constructing communications sites throughout the Mekong Delta. (Vihn Long, Can Tho Sadec, Soc Trang) I get back to Vietnam about once or twice a year. Usually Saigon (HCM) or Hanoi.

BR,
Dr. PDG

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